Large Language Models (LLMs) today are powerful problem solvers across many domains, and they continue to get stronger as they scale in model size, training set size, and training set quality, as shown by extensive research and experimentation across the industry. Training a frontier model today requires on the order of tens to hundreds of yottaflops, which is a massive investment of time, compute, and energy. Improving pretraining efficiency is therefore essential to enable the next generation of even more capable LLMs. While 8-bit floating point (FP8) training is now widely adopted, transitioning to even narrower precision, such as 4-bit floating point (FP4), could unlock additional improvements in computational speed and resource utilization. However, quantization at this level poses challenges to training stability, convergence, and implementation, notably for large-scale models trained on long token horizons. In this study, we introduce a novel approach for stable and accurate training of large language models (LLMs) using the NVFP4 format. Our method integrates Random Hadamard transforms (RHT) to bound block-level outliers, employs a two-dimensional quantization scheme for consistent representations across both the forward and backward passes, utilizes stochastic rounding for unbiased gradient estimation, and incorporates selective high-precision layers. We validate our approach by training a 12-billion-parameter model on 10 trillion tokens -- the longest publicly documented training run in 4-bit precision to date. Our results show that the model trained with our NVFP4-based pretraining technique achieves training loss and downstream task accuracies comparable to an FP8 baseline. These findings highlight that NVFP4, when combined with our training approach, represents a major step forward in narrow-precision LLM training algorithms.
Pretraining Large Language Models with NVFP4
A novel training approach using NVFP4 format with Random Hadamard transforms, two-dimensional quantization, stochastic rounding, and selective high-precision layers enables stable and accurate training of large language models in 4-bit precision.
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89Bryan CatanzaroNVIDIAHao WuBita Darvish RouhaniRoger WaleffeDeepak NarayananMohammad ShoeybiSanjeev SatheeshMostofa PatwaryBor-Yiing SuJonah AlbenEric ChungMike ChrzanowskiMengdi WangAaron BlakemanAditya VavreAlex KondratenkoAshwin PoojaryBen LanirCarlo del MundoDarko StosicDong AhnDusan StosicEvan BrionesGargi PrasadHexin WangNima TajbakhshPasha ShamisRuoxi ZhangSatish PasumarthiShelby ThomasStefania AlborghettiSweta PriyadarshiXiaowei RenMisha SmelyanskiyBrucek KhailanyPrzemek TredakMichael SiuPaulius MicikeviciusNing XuCharbel SakrFelix AbecassisAnjulie AgrusaMichael AnderschSivakumar ArayandiAlexis BjorlinIan BuckJinhang ChoiVictor CuiSteve DaiDeena DoniaBurc EryilmazHenry EstelaAbhinav GoelOleg GoncharovYugi GuvvalaRobert HesseRussell HewettHerbert HumUjval KapasiMikail KhonaNick KnightRonny KrashinskySimon LaytonMichael LightstoneDaniel LoAsit MishraTim MoonChao NiAbhijit PaithankarAnkit PatelYigong QinOleg RybakovStas SergienkoKirthi ShankarNishant SharmaFrank SunEvgeny TsykunovGandhi VaithilingamRangharajan VenkatesanQiyu WanLizzie WeiEvan WuKeith WyssJinze XueCharlene YangYujia ZhaiJingyang ZhuZhongbo Zhu